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Nathan Ormond's avatar

Thanks Michael, a great piece. I think that we should definitely be critical of psychedelics given the Aztec proclivity for using them in rituals involving beheadings to the gods and that RfK is health sec because Aubrey Marcus had a DMT trip and then text RfK saying that the alien gods told him he needs to save the US or some nonsense!

A few thoughts:

1) Check out Chris Lethaby's book on the Philosophy of Psychedelic Experiences. A lot of the issues in this field are conceptual ones and I think he does a great job engaging with the empirical research and disentangling the conceptual knots.

2) We need to disambiguate the role of psychology as a science from claims we are not making in a scientific capacity about human culture/politics. We should do all this WHILST acknowledging that science is not and cannot be apolitical. Science can study culture and attempt to offer robust operationalised explanations about world control -- our inquires are also operationalised in conjunction with our values and aims. In the case of psychedelics we shouldn't drop our (rightly) high standards for making specific, well operationalised claims about effects. If they are there we want to find them, if they are not, we want to know that too!

3) With respect to the politics and values, I think that the philosophical caution about the conceptual issues AND the scientific caution about the claims we make about well understood effects are completely correct and we should have and promote this caution more broadly in the cultural conversation around psychedelics. However, politically, we should also be making clear evidence around harms and risks and criminality. I think a lot of the concern about a psychological blog post like this is how it will be received politically and what that might mean in our current contexts -- leading scientist says xyz about them being good/bad therefore science tells us ... As an example, if we consider our grounds for criminality to be harms and risks how do these things compare to other normalised substances people use we are fine with? If we consider our grounds for this that the sorts of thoughts they produce are dangerous, perhaps we should hold a lens up to our culture which says that. What is it about the sorts of claims people make who take these substances that is so threatening as to be deemed deviant or criminal? Do the people who take them report harms? -- this is where we have to be cautious to disentangle, or make clear the dependencies between scientific and political claims we are making (i.e. should and so on).

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Emil Hasle's avatar

I've been one of those "crazy" psychedelic advocates for many years now. The benefits they can offer are indeed potentially life-saving...but only potentially. As you correctly point out, hyping these drugs to the extent of suggesting they can be used by anyone, in any setting, can lead to disastrous outcomes. We've seen similar problems of misuse arise after the legalization of marijuana in some U.S. states. Potent psychedelics should always be used responsibly.

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